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[bpf-next,0/5] bpf: implement variadic printk helper

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Dave Marchevsky Aug. 21, 2021, 2:58 a.m. UTC
This series introduces a new helper, bpf_trace_vprintk, which functions
like bpf_trace_printk but supports > 3 arguments via a pseudo-vararg u64
array. A libbpf convienience macro, bpf_vprintk, is added to support
true vararg calling style.

Helper functions and macros added during the implementation of
bpf_seq_printf and bpf_snprintf do most of the heavy lifting for
bpf_trace_vprintk. There's no novel format string wrangling here.

Usecase here is straightforward: Giving BPF program writers a more
powerful printk will ease development of BPF programs, particularly
during debugging and testing, where printk tends to be used.

Hypothetically libbpf's bpf_printk convenience macro could be modified
to use bpf_trace_vprintk under the hood. This patchset does not attempt
to do this, though, nor am I confident that it's desired.

This feature was proposed by Andrii in libbpf mirror's issue tracker
[1].

[1] https://github.com/libbpf/libbpf/issues/315

Dave Marchevsky (5):
  bpf: merge printk and seq_printf VARARG max macros
  bpf: add bpf_trace_vprintk helper
  libbpf: Add bpf_vprintk convenience macro
  bpftool: only probe trace_vprintk feature in 'full' mode
  selftests/bpf: add trace_vprintk test prog

 include/linux/bpf.h                           |  3 +
 include/uapi/linux/bpf.h                      | 23 ++++++
 kernel/bpf/core.c                             |  5 ++
 kernel/bpf/helpers.c                          |  6 +-
 kernel/trace/bpf_trace.c                      | 54 ++++++++++++-
 tools/bpf/bpftool/feature.c                   |  1 +
 tools/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h                | 23 ++++++
 tools/lib/bpf/bpf_helpers.h                   | 18 +++++
 tools/testing/selftests/bpf/Makefile          |  3 +-
 .../selftests/bpf/prog_tests/trace_vprintk.c  | 75 +++++++++++++++++++
 .../selftests/bpf/progs/trace_vprintk.c       | 25 +++++++
 tools/testing/selftests/bpf/test_bpftool.py   | 22 +++---
 12 files changed, 238 insertions(+), 20 deletions(-)
 create mode 100644 tools/testing/selftests/bpf/prog_tests/trace_vprintk.c
 create mode 100644 tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/trace_vprintk.c

Comments

Andrii Nakryiko Aug. 24, 2021, 4:50 a.m. UTC | #1
On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 7:59 PM Dave Marchevsky <davemarchevsky@fb.com> wrote:
>
> This helper is meant to be "bpf_trace_printk, but with proper vararg

We have bpf_snprintf() and bpf_seq_printf() names for other BPF
helpers using the same approach. How about we call this one simply
`bpf_printf`? It will be in line with other naming, it is logical BPF
equivalent of user-space printf (which outputs to stderr, which in BPF
land is /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_pipe). And it will be logical
to have a nice and short BPF_PRINTF() convenience macro provided by
libbpf.

> support". Follow bpf_snprintf's example and take a u64 pseudo-vararg
> array. Write to dmesg using the same mechanism as bpf_trace_printk.

Are you sure about the dmesg part?... bpf_trace_printk is outputting
into /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_pipe.

>
> Signed-off-by: Dave Marchevsky <davemarchevsky@fb.com>
> ---
>  include/linux/bpf.h            |  1 +
>  include/uapi/linux/bpf.h       | 23 +++++++++++++++
>  kernel/bpf/core.c              |  5 ++++
>  kernel/bpf/helpers.c           |  2 ++
>  kernel/trace/bpf_trace.c       | 52 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>  tools/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h | 23 +++++++++++++++
>  6 files changed, 105 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/include/linux/bpf.h b/include/linux/bpf.h
> index be8d57e6e78a..b6c45a6cbbba 100644
> --- a/include/linux/bpf.h
> +++ b/include/linux/bpf.h
> @@ -1088,6 +1088,7 @@ bool bpf_prog_array_compatible(struct bpf_array *array, const struct bpf_prog *f
>  int bpf_prog_calc_tag(struct bpf_prog *fp);
>
>  const struct bpf_func_proto *bpf_get_trace_printk_proto(void);
> +const struct bpf_func_proto *bpf_get_trace_vprintk_proto(void);
>
>  typedef unsigned long (*bpf_ctx_copy_t)(void *dst, const void *src,
>                                         unsigned long off, unsigned long len);
> diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h b/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> index c4f7892edb2b..899a2649d986 100644
> --- a/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> +++ b/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> @@ -4871,6 +4871,28 @@ union bpf_attr {
>   *     Return
>   *             Value specified by user at BPF link creation/attachment time
>   *             or 0, if it was not specified.
> + *
> + * u64 bpf_trace_vprintk(const char *fmt, u32 fmt_size, const void *data, u32 data_len)
> + *     Description
> + *             Behaves like **bpf_trace_printk**\ () helper, but takes an array of u64
> + *             to format. Supports up to 12 arguments to print in this way.

we didn't specify 12 in the description of bpf_snprintf() or
bpf_seq_printf(), so why start doing that here? For data/args format,
let's just refer to bpf_snprintf() or bpf_seq_printf(), whichever does
a better job explaining this :)


> + *             The *fmt* and *fmt_size* are for the format string itself. The *data* and
> + *             *data_len* are format string arguments.
> + *
> + *             Each format specifier in **fmt** corresponds to one u64 element
> + *             in the **data** array. For strings and pointers where pointees
> + *             are accessed, only the pointer values are stored in the *data*
> + *             array. The *data_len* is the size of *data* in bytes.
> + *             Formats **%s**, **%p{i,I}{4,6}** requires to read kernel memory.
> + *             Reading kernel memory may fail due to either invalid address or
> + *             valid address but requiring a major memory fault. If reading kernel memory
> + *             fails, the string for **%s** will be an empty string, and the ip
> + *             address for **%p{i,I}{4,6}** will be 0. Not returning error to
> + *             bpf program is consistent with what **bpf_trace_printk**\ () does for now.

This is just a copy/paste from other helpers. Let's avoid duplication
and just point people to a description in other helpers.

> + *
> + *     Return
> + *             The number of bytes written to the buffer, or a negative error
> + *             in case of failure.
>   */
>  #define __BPF_FUNC_MAPPER(FN)          \
>         FN(unspec),                     \
> @@ -5048,6 +5070,7 @@ union bpf_attr {
>         FN(timer_cancel),               \
>         FN(get_func_ip),                \
>         FN(get_attach_cookie),          \
> +       FN(trace_vprintk),              \
>         /* */
>
>  /* integer value in 'imm' field of BPF_CALL instruction selects which helper
> diff --git a/kernel/bpf/core.c b/kernel/bpf/core.c
> index 91f24c7b38a1..a137c550046c 100644
> --- a/kernel/bpf/core.c
> +++ b/kernel/bpf/core.c
> @@ -2357,6 +2357,11 @@ const struct bpf_func_proto * __weak bpf_get_trace_printk_proto(void)
>         return NULL;
>  }
>
> +const struct bpf_func_proto * __weak bpf_get_trace_vprintk_proto(void)
> +{
> +       return NULL;
> +}
> +
>  u64 __weak
>  bpf_event_output(struct bpf_map *map, u64 flags, void *meta, u64 meta_size,
>                  void *ctx, u64 ctx_size, bpf_ctx_copy_t ctx_copy)
> diff --git a/kernel/bpf/helpers.c b/kernel/bpf/helpers.c
> index 5ce19b376ef7..863e5ee68558 100644
> --- a/kernel/bpf/helpers.c
> +++ b/kernel/bpf/helpers.c
> @@ -1419,6 +1419,8 @@ bpf_base_func_proto(enum bpf_func_id func_id)
>                 return &bpf_snprintf_btf_proto;
>         case BPF_FUNC_snprintf:
>                 return &bpf_snprintf_proto;
> +       case BPF_FUNC_trace_vprintk:
> +               return bpf_get_trace_vprintk_proto();
>         default:
>                 return NULL;
>         }
> diff --git a/kernel/trace/bpf_trace.c b/kernel/trace/bpf_trace.c
> index 2cf4bfa1ab7b..8b3f1ec9e082 100644
> --- a/kernel/trace/bpf_trace.c
> +++ b/kernel/trace/bpf_trace.c
> @@ -398,7 +398,7 @@ static const struct bpf_func_proto bpf_trace_printk_proto = {
>         .arg2_type      = ARG_CONST_SIZE,
>  };
>
> -const struct bpf_func_proto *bpf_get_trace_printk_proto(void)
> +static __always_inline void __set_printk_clr_event(void)

Please drop __always_inline, we only use __always_inline for
absolutely performance critical routines. Let the compiler decide.

>  {
>         /*
>          * This program might be calling bpf_trace_printk,
> @@ -410,10 +410,58 @@ const struct bpf_func_proto *bpf_get_trace_printk_proto(void)
>          */
>         if (trace_set_clr_event("bpf_trace", "bpf_trace_printk", 1))
>                 pr_warn_ratelimited("could not enable bpf_trace_printk events");
> +}
>
> +const struct bpf_func_proto *bpf_get_trace_printk_proto(void)
> +{
> +       __set_printk_clr_event();
>         return &bpf_trace_printk_proto;
>  }
>
> +BPF_CALL_4(bpf_trace_vprintk, char *, fmt, u32, fmt_size, const void *, data,
> +          u32, data_len)
> +{
> +       static char buf[BPF_TRACE_PRINTK_SIZE];
> +       unsigned long flags;
> +       int ret, num_args;
> +       u32 *bin_args;
> +
> +       if (data_len & 7 || data_len > MAX_BPRINTF_VARARGS * 8 ||
> +           (data_len && !data))
> +               return -EINVAL;
> +       num_args = data_len / 8;
> +
> +       ret = bpf_bprintf_prepare(fmt, fmt_size, data, &bin_args, num_args);
> +       if (ret < 0)
> +               return ret;
> +
> +       raw_spin_lock_irqsave(&trace_printk_lock, flags);
> +       ret = bstr_printf(buf, sizeof(buf), fmt, bin_args);
> +
> +       trace_bpf_trace_printk(buf);
> +       raw_spin_unlock_irqrestore(&trace_printk_lock, flags);
> +
> +       bpf_bprintf_cleanup();
> +
> +       return ret;
> +}
> +
> +static const struct bpf_func_proto bpf_trace_vprintk_proto = {
> +       .func           = bpf_trace_vprintk,
> +       .gpl_only       = true,
> +       .ret_type       = RET_INTEGER,
> +       .arg1_type      = ARG_PTR_TO_MEM,
> +       .arg2_type      = ARG_CONST_SIZE,
> +       .arg3_type      = ARG_PTR_TO_MEM_OR_NULL,
> +       .arg4_type      = ARG_CONST_SIZE_OR_ZERO,
> +};
> +
> +const struct bpf_func_proto *bpf_get_trace_vprintk_proto(void)
> +{
> +       __set_printk_clr_event();
> +       return &bpf_trace_vprintk_proto;
> +}
> +
>  BPF_CALL_5(bpf_seq_printf, struct seq_file *, m, char *, fmt, u32, fmt_size,
>            const void *, data, u32, data_len)
>  {
> @@ -1113,6 +1161,8 @@ bpf_tracing_func_proto(enum bpf_func_id func_id, const struct bpf_prog *prog)
>                 return &bpf_snprintf_proto;
>         case BPF_FUNC_get_func_ip:
>                 return &bpf_get_func_ip_proto_tracing;
> +       case BPF_FUNC_trace_vprintk:
> +               return bpf_get_trace_vprintk_proto();
>         default:
>                 return bpf_base_func_proto(func_id);
>         }
> diff --git a/tools/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h b/tools/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> index c4f7892edb2b..899a2649d986 100644
> --- a/tools/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> +++ b/tools/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h
> @@ -4871,6 +4871,28 @@ union bpf_attr {
>   *     Return
>   *             Value specified by user at BPF link creation/attachment time
>   *             or 0, if it was not specified.
> + *
> + * u64 bpf_trace_vprintk(const char *fmt, u32 fmt_size, const void *data, u32 data_len)
> + *     Description
> + *             Behaves like **bpf_trace_printk**\ () helper, but takes an array of u64
> + *             to format. Supports up to 12 arguments to print in this way.
> + *             The *fmt* and *fmt_size* are for the format string itself. The *data* and
> + *             *data_len* are format string arguments.
> + *
> + *             Each format specifier in **fmt** corresponds to one u64 element
> + *             in the **data** array. For strings and pointers where pointees
> + *             are accessed, only the pointer values are stored in the *data*
> + *             array. The *data_len* is the size of *data* in bytes.
> + *             Formats **%s**, **%p{i,I}{4,6}** requires to read kernel memory.
> + *             Reading kernel memory may fail due to either invalid address or
> + *             valid address but requiring a major memory fault. If reading kernel memory
> + *             fails, the string for **%s** will be an empty string, and the ip
> + *             address for **%p{i,I}{4,6}** will be 0. Not returning error to
> + *             bpf program is consistent with what **bpf_trace_printk**\ () does for now.
> + *
> + *     Return
> + *             The number of bytes written to the buffer, or a negative error
> + *             in case of failure.
>   */
>  #define __BPF_FUNC_MAPPER(FN)          \
>         FN(unspec),                     \
> @@ -5048,6 +5070,7 @@ union bpf_attr {
>         FN(timer_cancel),               \
>         FN(get_func_ip),                \
>         FN(get_attach_cookie),          \
> +       FN(trace_vprintk),              \
>         /* */
>
>  /* integer value in 'imm' field of BPF_CALL instruction selects which helper
> --
> 2.30.2
>
Andrii Nakryiko Aug. 24, 2021, 6:02 p.m. UTC | #2
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 10:57 AM Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:50 PM Andrii Nakryiko
> <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 7:59 PM Dave Marchevsky <davemarchevsky@fb.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > This helper is meant to be "bpf_trace_printk, but with proper vararg
> >
> > We have bpf_snprintf() and bpf_seq_printf() names for other BPF
> > helpers using the same approach. How about we call this one simply
> > `bpf_printf`? It will be in line with other naming, it is logical BPF
> > equivalent of user-space printf (which outputs to stderr, which in BPF
> > land is /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_pipe). And it will be logical
> > to have a nice and short BPF_PRINTF() convenience macro provided by
> > libbpf.
> >
> > > support". Follow bpf_snprintf's example and take a u64 pseudo-vararg
> > > array. Write to dmesg using the same mechanism as bpf_trace_printk.
> >
> > Are you sure about the dmesg part?... bpf_trace_printk is outputting
> > into /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_pipe.
>
> Actually I like bpf_trace_vprintk() name, since it makes it obvious that

It's the inconsistency with bpf_snprintf() and bpf_seq_printf() that's
mildly annoying (it's f at the end, and no v- prefix). Maybe
bpf_trace_printf() then? Or is it too close to bpf_trace_printk()? But
either way you would be using BPF_PRINTF() macro for this. And we can
make that macro use bpf_trace_printk() transparently for <3 args, so
that new macro works on old kernels.

> it's a flavor of bpf_trace_printk() and its quirks that users learned
> to deal with.
> I would reserve bpf_printf() for the future. We might have standalone
> bpf programs in the future (without user space component) and a better
> equivalent
> of stdin/stdout. clang -target bpf hello_world.c -o a.out; ./a.out
> should print to a terminal. Such future hello world in bpf would be
> using bpf_printf()
> or bpf_dprintf().
Alexei Starovoitov Aug. 24, 2021, 9 p.m. UTC | #3
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:24 AM Andrii Nakryiko
<andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:17 AM Alexei Starovoitov

> <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:02 AM Andrii Nakryiko

> > <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 10:57 AM Alexei Starovoitov

> > > <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:50 PM Andrii Nakryiko

> > > > <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 7:59 PM Dave Marchevsky <davemarchevsky@fb.com> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This helper is meant to be "bpf_trace_printk, but with proper vararg

> > > > >

> > > > > We have bpf_snprintf() and bpf_seq_printf() names for other BPF

> > > > > helpers using the same approach. How about we call this one simply

> > > > > `bpf_printf`? It will be in line with other naming, it is logical BPF

> > > > > equivalent of user-space printf (which outputs to stderr, which in BPF

> > > > > land is /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_pipe). And it will be logical

> > > > > to have a nice and short BPF_PRINTF() convenience macro provided by

> > > > > libbpf.

> > > > >

> > > > > > support". Follow bpf_snprintf's example and take a u64 pseudo-vararg

> > > > > > array. Write to dmesg using the same mechanism as bpf_trace_printk.

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you sure about the dmesg part?... bpf_trace_printk is outputting

> > > > > into /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_pipe.

> > > >

> > > > Actually I like bpf_trace_vprintk() name, since it makes it obvious that

> > >

> > > It's the inconsistency with bpf_snprintf() and bpf_seq_printf() that's

> > > mildly annoying (it's f at the end, and no v- prefix). Maybe

> > > bpf_trace_printf() then? Or is it too close to bpf_trace_printk()?

> >

> > bpf_trace_printf could be ok, but see below.

> >

> > > But

> > > either way you would be using BPF_PRINTF() macro for this. And we can

> > > make that macro use bpf_trace_printk() transparently for <3 args, so

> > > that new macro works on old kernels.

> >

> > Cannot we change the existing bpf_printk() macro to work on old and new kernels?

>

> Only if we break backwards compatibility. And I only know how to

> detect the presence of new helper with CO-RE, which automatically

> makes any BPF program using this macro CO-RE-dependent, which might

> not be what users want (vmlinux BTF is still not universally

> available). If I could do something like that without breaking change

> and without CO-RE, I'd update bpf_printk() to use `const char *fmt`

> for format string a long time ago. But adding CO-RE dependency for

> bpf_printk() seems like a no-go.


I see. Naming is the hardest.
I think Dave's current choice of lower case bpf_vprintk() macro and
bpf_trace_vprintk()
helper fits the existing bpf_printk/bpf_trace_printk the best.
Yes, it's inconsistent with BPF_SEQ_PRINTF/BPF_SNPRINTF,
but consistent with trace_printk. Whichever way we go it will be inconsistent.
Stylistically I like the lower case macro, since it doesn't scream at me.
Alexei Starovoitov Aug. 24, 2021, 9:28 p.m. UTC | #4
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:24 PM Andrii Nakryiko
<andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:00 PM Alexei Starovoitov
> <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:24 AM Andrii Nakryiko
> > <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:17 AM Alexei Starovoitov
> > > <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:02 AM Andrii Nakryiko
> > > > <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 10:57 AM Alexei Starovoitov
> > > > > <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:50 PM Andrii Nakryiko
> > > > > > <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 7:59 PM Dave Marchevsky <davemarchevsky@fb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This helper is meant to be "bpf_trace_printk, but with proper vararg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We have bpf_snprintf() and bpf_seq_printf() names for other BPF
> > > > > > > helpers using the same approach. How about we call this one simply
> > > > > > > `bpf_printf`? It will be in line with other naming, it is logical BPF
> > > > > > > equivalent of user-space printf (which outputs to stderr, which in BPF
> > > > > > > land is /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_pipe). And it will be logical
> > > > > > > to have a nice and short BPF_PRINTF() convenience macro provided by
> > > > > > > libbpf.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > support". Follow bpf_snprintf's example and take a u64 pseudo-vararg
> > > > > > > > array. Write to dmesg using the same mechanism as bpf_trace_printk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are you sure about the dmesg part?... bpf_trace_printk is outputting
> > > > > > > into /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_pipe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually I like bpf_trace_vprintk() name, since it makes it obvious that
> > > > >
> > > > > It's the inconsistency with bpf_snprintf() and bpf_seq_printf() that's
> > > > > mildly annoying (it's f at the end, and no v- prefix). Maybe
> > > > > bpf_trace_printf() then? Or is it too close to bpf_trace_printk()?
> > > >
> > > > bpf_trace_printf could be ok, but see below.
> > > >
> > > > > But
> > > > > either way you would be using BPF_PRINTF() macro for this. And we can
> > > > > make that macro use bpf_trace_printk() transparently for <3 args, so
> > > > > that new macro works on old kernels.
> > > >
> > > > Cannot we change the existing bpf_printk() macro to work on old and new kernels?
> > >
> > > Only if we break backwards compatibility. And I only know how to
> > > detect the presence of new helper with CO-RE, which automatically
> > > makes any BPF program using this macro CO-RE-dependent, which might
> > > not be what users want (vmlinux BTF is still not universally
> > > available). If I could do something like that without breaking change
> > > and without CO-RE, I'd update bpf_printk() to use `const char *fmt`
> > > for format string a long time ago. But adding CO-RE dependency for
> > > bpf_printk() seems like a no-go.
> >
> > I see. Naming is the hardest.
> > I think Dave's current choice of lower case bpf_vprintk() macro and
> > bpf_trace_vprintk()
> > helper fits the existing bpf_printk/bpf_trace_printk the best.
> > Yes, it's inconsistent with BPF_SEQ_PRINTF/BPF_SNPRINTF,
> > but consistent with trace_printk. Whichever way we go it will be inconsistent.
> > Stylistically I like the lower case macro, since it doesn't scream at me.
>
> Ok, it's fine. Even more so because we don't need a new macro, we can
> just extend the existing bpf_printk() macro to automatically pick
> bpf_trace_printk() if more than 3 arguments is provided.
>
> Dave, you'll have to solve a bit of a puzzle macro-wise, but it's
> possible to use either bpf_trace_printk() or bpf_trace_vprintk()
> transparently for the user.
>
> The only downside is that for <3 args, for backwards compatibility,
> we'd have to stick to
>
> char ___fmt[] = fmt;
>
> vs more efficient
>
> static const char ___fmt[] = fmt;
>
> But I'm thinking it might be time to finally make this improvement. We
> can also allow users to fallback to less efficient ways for really old
> kernels with some extra flag, like so
>
> #ifdef BPF_NO_GLOBAL_DATA
> char ___fmt[] = fmt;
> #else
> static const char ___fmt[] = fmt;
> #end
>
> Thoughts?

+1 from me for the latter assuming macro magic is possible.